What Breaking Legends REALLY Think | ft. Lilou, Menno, RoxRite, Kid David & Lil G

by Red Bull TV

The breaking legends discuss raw battle tactics, aggressive antics on stage, and keeping an intense battle mentality alive. Along the way it covers Dream 2-on-2 Battle Partners, Losing First Round vs. Final Round and Psychological Strategy and Mind Games, and more. Lil G reflects on his 2011 battle experience, explaining how personal growth and performing your best can equal victory even after a loss.

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Chapters

  1. 0:00 Raw Battle Style and Antics

    The breaking legends discuss raw battle tactics, aggressive antics on stage, and keeping an intense battle mentality alive.

    On screen: A medium shot focuses on two men on a couch as the man in the red cap speaks and gestures.

  2. 1:38 Dream 2-on-2 Battle Partners

    The breakers share who they would pick for two-on-two battles, discussing complementary styles and iconic past partnerships.

    On screen: Five men sit on sofas in a wooden-paneled studio room conversing and fist-bumping while a graphic overlay momentarily shows two breakers shaking hands.

  3. 3:16 Losing First Round vs. Final Round

    The competitors debate whether it is worse to lose in the first round or lose in the final match of a tournament.

    On screen: A wide shot of five men sitting on two black couches in a lounge studio setting during a panel discussion.

  4. 4:13 Psychological Strategy and Mind Games

    Lilou and RoxRite recount key battles from Red Bull BC1, explaining how smiling or attacking early influenced their opponents.

    On screen: The camera maintains a static shot of the two seated men as the speaker on the left, wearing a beanie, finishes talking with hand gestures, and the man beside him looks on.

  5. 7:37 The Lords of the Floor Lineup Debate

    RoxRite and Kid David discuss why they believe their duo belonged on the official Lords of the Floor battle lineup.

    On screen: Wide shot of five men sitting on leather sofas in a cozy studio room while conversing and laughing.

  6. 8:19 Dealing with Crowd Boos and Online Hate

    Menno brings up his case about being a hated champion, and the b-boys share experiences with hostile crowds and internet comments.

    On screen: A split screen shows archival footage of a breakdancer performing in front of a crowd on the left alongside Menno seated on a couch wearing a Red Bull cap on the right.

  7. 12:33 Finding Victory in Defeat

    Lil G reflects on his 2011 battle experience, explaining how personal growth and performing your best can equal victory even after a loss.

    On screen: A wide shot shows five men seated on leather sofas in a cozy studio decorated with bookshelves, plants, and ambient lighting as they chat.

Transcript

0:00 Speaker A: I kick someone in the neck, throw my hat, I throw my shoes. Speaker A: It was my strategy, you know, me. Speaker B: And this guy should have been in Lord of the Floor. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: What the fuck? Speaker B: Must be half of the lineup. Speaker D: Am I the most hated? Speaker C: Yeah, dog. Speaker A: I don't like your style, but in your style, you are the best. Speaker B: Fuck that.

0:31 Speaker B: Of course. Speaker B: Of course he's giving the to the judges and throwing hats at people. Speaker A: When I'm battling sometime I have a. Speaker B: A blackout moment. Speaker A: A bad behavior. Speaker A: I will not say bad, but I use everything I can to beat you. Speaker B: We've seen it, but if we have. Speaker A: To vote between us, I think it's nil. Speaker C: I like when you listed off all the different things you've done. Speaker A: I kick someone in the neck. Speaker C: T shirt in the face.

0:56 Speaker A: Yes. Speaker A: I throw my hat, I throw my shoes. Speaker A: I slip over, under to someone. Speaker A: I think I did everything. Speaker A: Yes. Speaker A: The judges, the dancers, the audience. Speaker A: I think I did everything and it's cool. Speaker C: But that's the best. Speaker C: Well, it's like, that's that. Speaker C: But it keeps it that battle essence. Speaker A: Like, but prematurity.

1:22 Speaker A: Sometime I think I do too much. Speaker C: You kept like, that punk rock, like, mentality of breaking alive. Speaker D: That's. Speaker A: No. Speaker C: Everyone's too nice now. Speaker C: I don't know. Speaker B: Really meta. Speaker D: You will take me because I never battled with Dave. Speaker D: Because I battled with all of them, but I never battled. Speaker C: I'm shocked. Speaker D: So it'd be cool to battle with.

1:47 Speaker A: Dave already the two on two with him. Speaker B: Yeah, he did. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker C: War one. Speaker A: And we won, so we know. Speaker A: But I want. Speaker A: I would love to do a. I would love to do a two on two with Muno because it's totally, completely different style and I think we can complete each other. Speaker D: But this duo needs to happen again, too. Speaker D: Just for like. Speaker B: Yeah, I would pick him. Speaker B: Complimentary nostalgic deal. Speaker C: You know, we had a good run. Speaker B: Complimentary styles. Speaker B: He does what I like.

2:12 Speaker C: I never won unless it was with Rock. Speaker C: Trey. Speaker C: Really? Speaker C: No. Speaker C: Or Kevin. Speaker C: But I just like to not have the pressure of doing moves. Speaker C: I'm okay. Speaker C: Rock Shreddy. Speaker A: He's going to make, like, moves. Speaker C: One, two, three. Speaker E: What? Speaker C: Okay. Speaker C: Why Mana? Speaker C: Why Mana? Speaker A: Because he loves talking about breaking and he always have a opinion. Speaker D: You pointed at me too. Speaker E: No, I pointed. Speaker C: I think when I'm behind the booth, when I'm doing my job, I'm supposed to have an opinion.

2:41 Speaker C: Therefore, I have an opinion. Speaker C: In general, I would say Rock's right. Speaker C: Just because I think he likes braking more than all of us. Speaker A: Mia was about him or Roxwide. Speaker B: I guess because I'm critical. Speaker B: We judge a lot. Speaker E: Yeah. Speaker B: You have to have an opinion for sure. Speaker B: I'm also critical because people are critical on me. Speaker B: So then I give the feedback the same way people give me feedback. Speaker C: It's also, I think when you've been doing it for so long.

3:06 Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker C: You're going to form opinions as you see the scene change and things come and things go and like, the way it changes. Speaker C: It's like going to have an opinion first. Speaker B: The first. Speaker C: It's got to be the first. Speaker C: Because if you put any type of effort into training, it's all gone. Speaker C: You don't even get to show it. Speaker D: Next time. Speaker D: You save it for next time. Speaker C: I wouldn't know because you guys are like Formula one racers.

3:33 Speaker A: As competitor. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker A: I prefer to lose in the first round. Speaker A: Okay, it's finished, Challas. Speaker D: Bye bye. Speaker A: Then go to reach the title. Speaker A: And. Speaker A: And I hate losing the final. Speaker C: You hate it, right? Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker A: Like if in my mind, in my B boys mentality, if I reach the final, I will win the final. Speaker A: No choice. Speaker A: Really. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker A: So I prefer to lose in the first round, save my stuff. Speaker C: I can feel like I'm really surrounded by champions. Speaker C: Like, my brain doesn't even go that way.

3:59 Speaker C: I'm like, I'm in the final. Speaker B: I prefer to lose in the final. Speaker B: I don't have a chance to win, but if I don't, at least I can make a moment. Speaker B: So it gives me more. Speaker B: Like I can show more of me. Speaker B: And even if I lose in the final, maybe I have the best battle of the night. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: Oh, no. Speaker A: This I hate, bro. Speaker A: Do you know why I was laughing in front of B boy Omar in 2005 in the quarterfinal for Red Bull BC1?

4:24 Speaker A: It was my strategy, you know, because he was the actual champion. Speaker A: He won the first edition of Red Bull BC1. Speaker A: So he was the returning champ. Speaker A: And we got a beef. Speaker A: One month before the competition finish with a fight and I kick him in the head. Speaker A: He slapped me in the face. Speaker A: So I answered with a kick on his face. Speaker A: So I was watching his face, remember this moment. Speaker A: And I was just like laughing.

4:49 Speaker A: If someone come with a rude face, I will be smiling. Speaker A: If someone comes with a smile, I will show them. Speaker A: I'm not here for smile, bro. Speaker A: We're here for the fight, you know? Speaker A: So it's kind of my strategy to go, what if he's mad at you around, you know? Speaker A: And that's why I was like laughing to Omar, because I was like, with smile, I will beat you, brother. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker B: When I went to BC1 2011, my strategy was to go first right away and not waste any time, because at that time, the people waiting and wasting my time started becoming very popular.

5:20 Speaker B: And in my benefit with like getting Elinho, took like two minutes to go out in the first round. Speaker B: So when I went on stage, I dabbed, so. Speaker B: So I pounded and I stayed on the floor. Speaker B: And soon as the beat dropped, I was like, go time. Speaker B: And that shit, like, changed the atmosphere and the energy of the room. Speaker B: So my strategy was to always attack first and not let my opponents even think. Speaker C: I remember when I was like, battling a lot, I found that if I was enjoying myself, I was usually dancing better.

5:48 Speaker C: I remember people used to be like, why are you always smiling? Speaker C: Why are you always smiling? Speaker B: That makes you more dangerous, though. Speaker B: People don't realize that when you're having more fun and you're more free, it's like a happy fighter is a dangerous fighter. Speaker B: Right? Speaker B: When you start putting too much pressure on yourself and you got to feel like you got to deliver all the time for people's demands and needs, you lose the spirit of being you. Speaker B: And I think. Speaker C: And it's like a beautiful thing. Speaker C: And dancing, even when I teach a lot of dancers, like, I'm like, when you have so much tension in your body, like, it doesn't allow you to be as graceful, you know, as light, because there's all this tension.

6:21 Speaker C: So I think it also lends itself to your actual, like the way you move when you're so even. Speaker C: Just that little smile and it's a. Speaker A: Part of your personality, you know? Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker E: If I see somebody strong, like really strong, okay, I have my signature. Speaker E: I put all my signature. Speaker E: That's it. Speaker E: This is my way to if. Speaker E: If I comfortable, I enjoy this moment even if I crash, you know, I try to do my best in the moment because I don't know, tomorrow I do all my set, all my thing, this right now, and that's it, you know, do my thing, you know?

6:55 Speaker C: It's amazing, bro. Speaker A: Hong 10. Speaker E: Lilo. Speaker A: Lilu. Speaker B: Lilo Hong 10. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: Mino. Speaker D: Yes. Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A: Not in order, but those three name for me is like the iconic champ of Red Bull BC1. Speaker E: Yes. Speaker C: Lilu's talking like he's not talking about himself.

7:20 Speaker C: You know how much I love you, bro. Speaker A: No, it's for my community. Speaker A: So they know it's from Remember my name. Speaker A: The new generation. Speaker D: Please. Speaker A: Port Pavol. Speaker A: Do you know Lilo is a good new boy. Speaker C: You're the man, bro. Speaker B: My case is, I Mean, this guy should have been in Lords of the Floor. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker D: What the fuck? Speaker B: Should be half of the lineup. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: What all gens.

7:45 Speaker B: Fuck that. Speaker B: Me and. Speaker C: Me and Rox. Speaker D: Right? Speaker C: Should have been in Lords of the Floor. Speaker A: Iconic jewel. Speaker C: I agree. Speaker D: I totally agree. Speaker B: That's my case. Speaker C: I was like offended. Speaker C: I was like. Speaker A: But I know who we make the lineup. Speaker A: You want to call. Speaker B: Yeah, let's call him right now. Speaker C: Yeah, actually, I would have done that. Speaker C: I would have loved to do that. Speaker B: That would have been done. Speaker B: One more take. Speaker B: One more. Speaker B: One more attempt. Speaker C: I got four good rounds. Speaker B: Yeah, that's cool. Speaker B: That's all we need.

8:10 Speaker C: Are you kidding? Speaker C: So you guys agree? Speaker C: You guys agree on this case? Speaker A: Me, I agree. Speaker A: Like, you should beat on the lineup. Speaker D: You two definitely agree. Speaker C: They believe in us. Speaker C: Raksha, let's go. Speaker D: My case is, am I the most hated BC1 champion of all times? Speaker B: I think for this era, yes. Speaker A: Me, I would say yes. Speaker E: Yes. Speaker C: Yeah, dawg. Speaker A: I'm not agreeing with what they think and what they say, but it's more the fan base of Red Bull.

8:37 Speaker A: BC one who hate you. Speaker A: But from the breaking scene, it's totally a different view. Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. Speaker B: People that live it is different. Speaker B: You know, I think I'm up there with you because I beat both these guys. Speaker B: And after I beat both these guys, I got booed on battling him. Speaker B: When I beat him, I got booed till the final. Speaker B: Through the final in South Africa. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: Yes. Speaker B: I remember South Africa versus Ronnie. Speaker A: Raw, Chuck, Boo. Speaker B: That's how bad it was.

9:03 Speaker B: Not even on the YouTube. Speaker B: That's just before the YouTube. Speaker B: The comments came after. Speaker D: I think if you battle, if you win versus a breaker from Latin America and a big event in the final, you're done online because the whole Latin America is gonna attack you. Speaker E: Bang the neck. Speaker C: The other thing that I think is real, I think what. Speaker C: What makes it like a special event is that it lends itself to being performative.

9:28 Speaker C: It's in the round. Speaker C: It's like a gladiator type arena and you have to perform and you guys are like scientists, you know what I mean? Speaker C: You have a less performative style than someone like Leeloo. Speaker C: So it's like they're going to get the easy crowd, you know? Speaker D: But the crazy thing is I can't help winning. Speaker D: That's right. Speaker D: I'm not judging it, you know, Like, I still felt like I really won. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker D: Like how you hate me for just doing my thing, you know, I'm not.

9:55 Speaker D: I'm not judging this. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker D: How can you put so Much hate on a person. Speaker B: I don't get it, but I think being booed in person is worse than the combat. Speaker C: When I walked up, when I did 2012 against Junior, when I walked on stage before the battle even started, they were like, junior. Speaker C: And everyone lost their minds. Speaker C: And then I walked on and I got booed before the battle even started. Speaker C: And at that moment, I lost. Speaker D: But. Speaker D: But to me, like, they did this in. Speaker D: In Brazil, When I battled Hong 10, the whole crowd was like, Honk, 10, Hong 10.

10:24 Speaker D: And, you know, that actually gave me energy and like, to be booed, real life, it gives me like a burst, like. Speaker E: Yeah, you push yourself. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker C: You used to get a lot of boot everywhere. Speaker A: You see a lot of hate. Speaker C: You used to get a lot of hate. Speaker C: People used to call Rattray boring all the time. Speaker B: They still do. Speaker C: He's boring. Speaker C: He's boring. Speaker C: To this day, he's boring. Speaker A: Because I think people don't understand their way of breaking, you know, that's why,.

10:49 Speaker B: Like, most hated right here, breaking small. Speaker C: Say it's a sign you're doing something right. Speaker C: Surely. Speaker A: Sometimes you say, like, I don't like your style, but in your style, you are the best. Speaker A: You know, he told me that. Speaker A: And I was like, I'll take it. Speaker C: Perfect. Speaker A: Thank you. Speaker A: Yes, I like it. Speaker C: It's a compliment. Speaker A: Yes, it's compliment. Speaker D: You know, I remember when I beat you in 2007 at UK champs, like, a lot of American people came to.

11:17 Speaker A: Me and they're like, happy. Speaker D: Thank you. Speaker D: They were so happy that you got beat because at that time, like, you. Speaker D: You beat everybody. Speaker D: It was like the one off. Speaker A: I was in my prime, and I think also my behavior don't be acceptable by a lot of people. Speaker B: Yes. Speaker B: Back to the case. Speaker B: The most hated people. Speaker B: And I said, it's debatable between me and him. Speaker C: I'm just honored to be sitting in between both of you.

11:43 Speaker C: I hate. Speaker C: I hate. Speaker E: Yeah, I hate both y'. Speaker E: All. Speaker B: But I'm still here. Speaker A: If I have to vote, I will say he's the most hated from BC one community because he. Speaker A: He win four times. Speaker C: You know, I would agree. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker B: Because of the belt, I think. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker C: Don't worry. Speaker C: You've been hated on as well. Speaker A: Don't worry. Speaker C: A lot of people hate both you guys. Speaker D: No, no. Speaker B: You got more love than hate.

12:08 Speaker E: True. Speaker E: Yeah, yeah. Speaker C: Tell them. Speaker C: Tell. Speaker C: A lot of people love you guys. Speaker B: We get more love than hate. Speaker B: You know, I think it's publicly people try to shit on us more. Speaker B: Like, when it comes to, like, YouTube videos and stuff. Speaker D: It's more like the fans and the Internet intellect people also. Speaker E: You guys inspire a lot of people, you know. Speaker C: Oh, I agree. Speaker C: Yeah, Mennon. Speaker B: Yeah, I agree too. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker E: So now you have five belts. Speaker E: Yeah. Speaker E: You gotta get one more belt. Speaker C: Yeah, the haters belt.

12:33 Speaker E: We going back in the days. Speaker E: Even you, when you lost, you still win something, you know, 2011 final, first I met myself, I talked to him. Speaker E: You win, I feel you win. Speaker E: Because I crash a little bit. Speaker E: I make mistakes, I don't have a lot of experience, but at the same time, I feel like win. Speaker B: There's different forms of victory, though. Speaker B: I mean, one is you win the tournament and you walk away victorious with the title.

12:58 Speaker B: The other is that you achieve something that nobody else maybe achieved where you come from. Speaker B: Maybe you achieved the goal that you were looking to achieve, or you just walked away being the people's champ too, you know, so sometimes that's just as valuable as winning the event, you know,. Speaker A: As a pro move guys like to reach the final of Red Bull BC1, I think you prove something like you can be with your own style and, you know, to go forward.

13:23 Speaker C: You know, it's cliche, but I've always said, like, yeah, it's. Speaker C: It's about shining, shine. Speaker C: There's a lot of iconic breakers that never won anything. Speaker E: Yeah, like, it's about repping and the final. Speaker E: I forget many things because we have like, before semifinal, they told you have five minutes to go. Speaker E: Final say what? Speaker E: No time to thinking. Speaker E: I was thinking, okay, Rosh, I doing forward. Speaker E: I do power while I can mix.

13:49 Speaker E: And I have some small stuff for. Speaker E: But I totally forget, totally forget. Speaker E: And I push myself, dress a lot, crash a little bit. Speaker E: I see you spitting, taking my time. Speaker E: Clean, clean, clean, clean. Speaker E: And then, oh, I don't know. Speaker E: Maybe I win, maybe not. Speaker E: I hope I saw the judge and said, okay, I need just three bots. Speaker E: Said to myself, okay, Pele, Wing and Botus.

14:16 Speaker E: I said, okay. Speaker E: And then Pele said, ro. Speaker E: I say bro. Speaker B: Inside of me say bro. Speaker E: You're from Latami. Speaker E: You're from Latam with same people. Speaker E: Why? Speaker A: Probably what you get in this final. Speaker E: But I put a name after I understand, you know, because I was 20, 21 years old, young, experience, learning. Speaker C: But that's the thing. Speaker C: If you look at like people like Menno and Rocks, it's like a lot of times in breaking, people just beat themselves most of the time.

14:42 Speaker C: Most of the time in a tournament like this. Speaker C: So if you stay consistent and steady the way Meno does, rockstrike does, you're going to try some crazy ass move that we can never do. Speaker C: You're going to land on your neck and then we're going to win. Speaker C: Your stuff is so hard. Speaker E: Yeah, I know. Speaker E: If I crash, it's obviously I crash. Speaker C: I can't fall because I don't go upside down.

15:09 Speaker B: So. Speaker D: Yeah, I fall all the time. Speaker D: My style is based on falling. Speaker C: We can tell Meadow. Speaker C: So can everyone in the BC one chats. Speaker A: Go back to the other case. Speaker C: What was your case, little G? Speaker E: Okay, My case was even when you lost, you still win something. Speaker E: You know, that's what I learning every time you.

15:35 Speaker E: Great. Speaker A: Yeah, totally agree. Speaker E: I'm on us.